Jesus Camp

[William F. Almeida]

anyone seen this documentary...

[BeProf]

Not yet.

[One Winged Angel]

I saw a clip of it on YouTube and found it one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen before.

[Tracker]

extreme Charismatic Christianity mixed w/ conservtive politics, for some odd odd reason, or at least from what I've heard of it.

[ghostboy]

i do want to see this because i've been reading a lot about it. actually, there's an interview with the film makers on christianitytoday.com that sheds some light on their artistic choices. makes for interesting reading, even if some of their choices may not make sense.

[Atlas]

I saw a clip of it on YouTube and found it one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen before.

Had to check YouTube out. Disturbing is the right word.

[BeProf]

i do want to see this because i've been reading a lot about it. actually, there's an interview with the film makers on christianitytoday.com that sheds some light on their artistic choices. makes for interesting reading, even if some of their choices may not make sense.

I've read that too and frankly it's what made me want to see the film rather than simply dismiss it as "Charismatic Nature Show".

[William F. Almeida]

anyone have a link to that article?
this is something that SO EASILY can be miscontrued into Christianity's jihad extremism

[Saint Raven]

Ack, I saw 'Holy Laughter' in there.

[BeProf]

There are two articles:

A commentary from a Pentecostal viewer:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/brainwashed.html

And an interview with the film-makers (this is the one we were talking about):

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/interviews/jesuscamp.html

[Lunkwill]

I just read both articles and I think I'll se this film when it hits DVD just to satisfy my curiosity. I must say there is something in the interview with Grady and Ewing that makes me think that the Pentecostal reviewer was dead on in saying:
While this alone (Ewing and Grady being outsiders who *don't get* the culture they are documenting) isn't bad—documentary filmmakers set out to learn and teach simultaneously—it can lead to gross errors of representation and interpretation. The risk of bias and misrepresentation is no less real for liberal New York democrats filming Pentecostals than it would be for a Pentecostal documenting a convention of Darwinists.

due to these statement made during the interview by Grady and Ewing concerning having radio host Mike Papantonio narrate the film in order to setup a sort of *dialog* to voice concerns of the liberal Evangelical/Christian veiwpoint:

Grady: No, he's not evangelical. He's a Methodist, he goes to a mainline church, but he's quite devoted to his church.

Ewing: While Mike is not officially a born-again Christian, he does echo a lot of the concerns that these gentlemen have, and we thought this was a more creative way to vent those concerns, because he is a Christian. He just thinks that the politicization of the church is going to be the downfall of it, and he doesn't like that association. So officially, no, he's not a born-again, but he does, I think, speak very well for the concerns of Christians that don't like the political nature of the evangelical movement, or at least of the far right part of that movement.

Seems to me they have some very serious misconceptions about Christianity in general.

Either that or Methodists aren't born again. (j/k) :D

[William F. Almeida]

They shouldve asked jim Wallis instead of Mike....Jim rules

[kenblaster5000]

I think the Jesus Camp is a pretty good idea, especially for people to take the regular view of camp, with the craftiness to get over to the girls camp to peek in their showers. We know that at some time the children will prophecy, young men will have visions, and the old men will dream dreams. I have been thinking alot lately about the children, and how they are going to be trained to be mighty in the spirit of God. I could be wrong, but I think this generation is going to preach it at an early age. I know of a friends young boy who has been prophecied by a Pastor that he will preach at the age of 12. I think the idea here is a noble one, about not letting our children be picked out by Satan, for we know that when some of us were younger, for at least myself, that the gospel was hardly ever preached, and I did not even think or meditate on it when I was younger. So, just some randon thoughts about this. Hope it isn't hard to decipher, and thought provoking. Maybe you guys have had the same thoughts. I guess will see when we hear other people, because the spirit seems to speak to alot of people about the same thing. Well, God bless you all, and I wanna say that Day of Fire, and Disciple rocks my socks off. May the spirit keep you in the name of Jesus Christ. Peace.

[renascor]

My sister told me about this movie. I hadn't seen anything about it until I saw the YouTube trailer.

I think this is one of the scariest aspects of Christianity. Like someone mentioned: "Charismatics and Conservative politics".

[Candlemass]

"Counterfiet Revival", the disease has spread to camps now!

Kids preaching at the age of 12? I don't think so!

[Nomad]

What bothers me most is the emphasis on politics. Sorry, but politics don't belong in sermons... thanks for playing, bye.

[Tracker]

Here's the woman's featured in Jesus Camp's responses to various objections about the film:

http://www.kidsinministry.com/index.html

[the EDGE]

I do not use You tube fill me in! Holy laughter or the enfilling of the Holy Spirit you mean? Yes and polotics in the church is becoming very big now, to the point that the church is doing what it can to hinder the liberals from getting away with murder.......Anything that has to do with God I am in on it, but I will not condone that thing I just read about methodists are not christian, or I mean saved. We do not know their hearts, so how dare we speak with a serpents tongue. Just something to be careful of!

Ken remember when I told you to be carefull with the prophetic? Now is the time to be quiet. We do not need ot know the nature of the word the pastor spoke. Look at David, a man after God's own heart. He was spoken over Samual, yet he went back to the fields to attend the flock. God will do all things in His time, and I am a miralce to that. But that is a different thread for another time!

[the EDGE]

what part is disturbing?

[Candlemass]

what part is disturbing?


The "holy laughter", spazing out in the spirit, psuedo tounges, this is all part of the "Counterfiet Revival" part of what was the "Toronto Blessing". It is synthetic spirituality, and the manipulation of the psyche. It's bad enough when it's done to adults, but when it's done to children, it's sickens me. It's rapping the child's mind! :mad:

[Nocturnal One]

what part is disturbing?


The whole thing is disturbing!

[KM Richards]

extreme Charismatic Christianity mixed w/ conservtive politicsThis is the only way we can actually keep our country as the United States for as long as possible as the world moves into position for one world government.

The motive is to keep the US in tact for as long as possible so we can continue pouring billions of dollars each year into spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ world wide.

But, as the Body of Jesus Christ, we don't have to concern ourselves with the demise of this world system as we will be long gone before the serious destruction gets under way.

Jesus said when you see all these things, SEE TO IT that you be not troubled. Plus, He said He would be with us unto the end of the world...Thank God we're protected!

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Jesus paid the price, so we don't have to!

[KM Richards]

Anybody ready to vote Conservative in the upcoming election, so we can keep the "cut-n-run" crowd from gaining more seats in Congress?

[Nocturnal One]

we can continue pouring billions of dollars each year into spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ world wide.
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Why not use the money for more meaningful things? Like helping people in need, like me! There's millions of young people with tight budgets, that need money to pay bills and to buy food.

[Nomad]

Yes and polotics in the church is becoming very big now
I love using popularity to determine my own personal understanding and relationship with the Almighty Creator of all things.

...to the point that the church is doing what it can to hinder the liberals from getting away with murder
See, here's the thing. You've already swallowed the line that they've dropped in the pond with the shiny bait. You've swallowed the lie that the Right is a gleaming tower of hope and righteousness that stands as the last hope for God's Special Nation against the cowardly, devious, despicable Liberals.

News flash. Jesus isn't a Republican. Jesus never enacted political reform directly, he worked to change people's hearts. But go ahead and focus on punishing sinners if it makes you feel better, just don't start claiming that it's what Jesus would do. Because it isn't. Politics don't belong in sermons, Jesus does. Let's focus our attentions on who Jesus is, not "How would Jesus vote?"

[KM Richards]

Why not use the money for more meaningful things?So, there are more important things in life than Jesus' command to take the Gospel top the world?

I do believe that you either don't understand, or your priorities are more on the things of this world than spiritual things.

Getting people born-again so they can join the Father's family is the most important priority to God at this time...so, this should be our top priority as well, if we are putting His will first before our own.

[Nocturnal One]

So, there are more important things in life than Jesus' command to take the Gospel top the world?

I do believe that you either don't understand, or your priorities are more on the things of this world than spiritual things.

Getting people born-again so they can join the Father's family is the most important priority to God at this time...so, this should be our top priority as well, if we are putting His will first before our own.



But, it shouldn't costs billions of dollars like you stated above. It doesn't cost anything to lead someone to Christ. What I was stating was there's more important things to spend money on, like helping those in need, like me. It's okay to send money to some poor kids in Africa but, not okay to help someone here in America? An average white middle class American needs help too!!! You seem to forget those in real need and would rather spend money on foolish things like tracts. Sorry but, paying my bills and putting food on my table cames before sending money to help someone get saved. That's everyday reality!!!

[Candlemass]

Actually it does cost, as someone once said; "the gospel is free, but someone has to pay for the plumbing"!

[William F. Almeida]

so besides the theological questions this video raises- the ultra conservative politics is also questionable. Also pretty annoying how they mixed both!

[KM Richards]

the ultra conservative politics is also questionableThe lack of conservative politics is destroying this country...it will cause the US to be no more, and your Constitution will be burned by those that dispise the US.

Those people are democrats, and they hate America!

[Nocturnal One]

Actually it does cost, as someone once said; "the gospel is free, but someone has to pay for the plumbing"!


Not billions of dollars like stated above.

[KM Richards]

Not billions of dollars like stated above.Have you done an actual real time accounting of what it takes to send out millions of ministers across the world and what it costs to support them, buy buildings, equipment, media costs, feeding the poor, etc???

I didn't think so...

[Nocturnal One]

Have you done an actual real time accounting of what it takes to send out millions of ministers across the world and what it costs to support them, buy buildings, equipment, media costs, feeding the poor, etc???

I didn't think so...


Once again Mr.Smart Mouth.....There's MORE important things right here in America that need help with that money, people like me, who struggle daily to pay bills. That's more important....not building a huge church!

[KM Richards]

Once again Mr.Smart Mouth.....There's MORE important things right here in America that need help with that money, people like me, who struggle daily to pay bills. That's more important....not building a huge church!Well, I used to be broke and then God taught me how to have more than what I need, so I can be a blessing to others as well as have enough to support my family.

If you are struggling to pay your bills, it's not God's fault...or the rest of the Body of Christ's fault either.

I would venture to say you aren't teachable, considering your "Mr.Smart Mouth" remark. You have to remember that nobody OWES you anything, so why do you expect FREE HANDOUTS???

Are you in favor of socialism, where the government gives you everything you need? God's trying to teach you how to grow financially...but I'm thinking you won't hear any of it.

...and so, you continue to sdtruggle with your bills.
That's too bad considering God has a system in place to help you.

[Nocturnal One]

Well, I used to be broke and then God taught me how to have more than what I need, so I can be a blessing to others as well as have enough to support my family.

If you are struggling to pay your bills, it's not God's fault...or the rest of the Body of Christ's fault either.

I would venture to say you aren't teachable, considering your "Mr.Smart Mouth" remark. You have to remember that nobody OWES you anything, so why do you expect FREE HANDOUTS???

Are you in favor of socialism, where the government gives you everything you need? God's trying to teach you how to grow financially...but I'm thinking you won't hear any of it.

...and so, you continue to struggle with your bills.
That's too bad considering God has a system in place to help you.



First of all, I am not expecting FREE HANDOUTS!!

Also I never said it was God's fault or the body of Christs faults. Quit putting words in my mouth.

I am all in flavor of governmental programs that help those in need out, in fact I am in one right now.

What I am trying to say, is I feel the church has it's mind too focused on building bigger churches, sending people overseas, feeding those in Africa , printing books & tracts, etc... When there's a BIG need right here in America that gets overlooked. The average middle-to low class white person gets needs overlooked by the church, the church only cares about the rich, cause they give more money in titles.

[KM Richards]

I am all in flavor of governmental programs that help those in need out, in fact I am in one right now.As a tax payer, I'd appreciate it if you'd get off your duff and go get a job abd quit mooching off of us!

What I am trying to say, is I feel the church has it's mind too focused on building bigger churches, sending people overseas, feeding those in Africa , printing books & tracts, etcPlease excuse us for being involved in the Great Commission as commanded by Jesus

The average middle-to low class white person gets needs overlooked by the church, the church only cares about the rich, cause they give more money in titlesTitles? Sounds like you go to a cold hearted church. Do they teach poverty to you? They must since you have to be on welfare.

At any rate, they don't OWE you anything. Why not study the Bible and find out how God desires to provide for you?

[Nomad]

As a tax payer, I'd appreciate it if you'd get off your duff and go get a job abd quit mooching off of us!

Please excuse us for being involved in the Great Commission as commanded by Jesus

Titles? Sounds like you go to a cold hearted church. Do they teach poverty to you? They must since you have to be on welfare.
Mmm... trollin.

Dan's got a good point that you're not seeing. The point being that many churches are so focused on increasing their numbers that they fail to build up the body of Christ.

It's filling pews vs. filling hearts.

[Miyu]

OK...everyone just chill out. Let me remind you that name-calling and insults are not allowed here.

So...Dan, do not call KM "Mr. Smart Mouth"...and KM...do not tell Dan to "get off his duff...."

[KM Richards]

Dan's got a good point that you're not seeing. The point being that many churches are so focused on increasing their numbers that they fail to build up the body of Christ.And, where is personal responsibility in all this???

Technically, "get off your duff" is not name calling.
That is a call to action to quit being a free loader!

Getting a temporary helping hand is one thing, living on welfare is quite another.

[Nomad]

And, where is personal responsibility in all this???
Personal responsibility has nothing to do with it. That's why I say you're missing the point Dan's trying to make, if I understand him correctly.

He's not saying, "The church needs to do my work for me." He's saying, "The church should focus on serving people and winning their hearts like Jesus did, not focus solely on filling pews."

It is of utmost importance for people to hear the Gospel, I agree, but don't forget that even when Jesus himself was teaching he made sure his listeners were well fed.

[KM Richards]

Personal responsibility has nothing to do with itSure it does! There's many Christians who believe the tax payers should pay their bills so they can sit on the couch all day watching TV eating snacks purchased with food stamps.

"The church should focus on serving people and winning their hearts like Jesus did, not focus solely on filling pews."Any church that is operating in prosperity like God desires...is going to be involved with feeding the poor in their area.

Give, and it will be given to you again...was Jesus's idea!

don't forget that even when Jesus himself was teaching he made sure his listeners were well fed.Wrong! Jesus did not roll out the buffet table each time He preached. We only have record of Him doing this on a few occasions.

If people learn how to walk with God in faith, they'll believe God to meet their own needs.

[Nomad]

Sure it does! There's many Christians who believe the tax payers should pay their bills so they can sit on the couch all day watching TV eating snacks purchased with food stamps.
Really, just stop. You're so totally missing the point it's not even funny any more. You can rant about your own personal pride of being prosperous all you want (you're obviously very successful in the Lord), but it's really off topic at this point. Start a new thread if you really want.

If people learn how to walk with God in faith, they'll believe God to meet their own needs.
That does wonders for the guy starving down the street. What amazing Christian compassion you're promoting. *cough* Sarcasm *cough*

[KM Richards]

That does wonders for the guy starving down the street. What amazing Christian compassion you're promoting. *cough* Sarcasm *cough*Yes, it does. I know, because I used to be that homeless guy down the street.

Have you called the elders of the Church to pray over you concerning all that coughing? God does heal, you know...

[Nomad]

Sigh.

[KM Richards]

Sigh.Why sigh? Lost sight of reality again?

[Nomad]

Don't give up on me now. You've almost single-handedly saved my soul.

[Nomad]

So yeah... about that documentary....

[KM Richards]

Don't give up on me now. You've almost single-handedly saved my soul.w0w! You mean you were lost, and now you're almost found?

[KM Richards]

So yeah... about that documentary....It's total complete trash put out by those that despise Jesus and His Body!

Christians have every right to get involved in politics.
In fact, if we don't...we're going to have a lot more hard times than if we do.

In many parts of the world, they kill Christians.
If we don't get control of our government...they will start killing Christians here!

If that happens...we'll have my weapons ready, cause we're taking out alot more of them than they do of us!

This country was started because of religious freedom...and true Americans will stand for what is right, even unto death.

[Nomad]

I'm soooooo close now. You're obtuse nature has broken through my hard exterior and really struck at the heart of me.

But that Jesus Camp documentary... anything about that going on in this thread?

[Nomad]

Christians have every right to get involved in politics.
I agree. I never said that Christians should stay out of politics, I just said that sermons should not be political.


If we don't get control of our government...they will start killing Christians here!
Plus, if we controlled the government we'd get the added bonus of being able to legally kill all those gays!

If that happens...we'll have my weapons ready, cause we're taking out alot more of them than they do of us!
Yeah man. Jesus and a Machine Gun. Lock and load!

This country was started because of religious freedom...and true Americans will stand for what is right, even unto death.
Yeah, I hear you! America was started for freedom so that future generations could take it all away! Praise be!

[KM Richards]

I just said that sermons should not be politicalI see...so you're obviously with the liberal left that wants the Body of Christ to sit down, shut up and stay out of the public exchange of ideas, right?

I guess you think it's OK for muzlims, gays, child molesters, drug dealers, etc, etc, to make public policy for this nation, right?

Are you even saved?

[Nomad]

I see...so you're obviously with the liberal left that wants the Body of Christ to sit down, shut up and stay out of the public exchange of ideas, right?
You have a knack for missing the point.

I guess you think it's OK for muzlims, gays, child molesters, drug dealers, etc, etc, to make public policy for this nation, right?
Yep.

Are you even saved?
Yes, I vote Republican.

[KM Richards]

You know...if you repent, Jesus will be merciful for your sin of desiring that God's people be locked out of making public policy.

Someday, you're going to see how Jesus is going to run the earth...and yes, there will be no law breakers. They will all be in prison with their father, satan.

[Nomad]

I must admit, this has been highly amusing.

But back to the discussion. I can tell that you desire, more than ignoring the poor, to have a Theocracy put into place here in America. You know who else wants Theocracies? Islam. Huh.

[KM Richards]

But back to the discussion. I can tell that you desire, more than ignoring the poor, to have a Theocracy put into place here in America. You know who else wants Theocracies? Islam. Huh.OK, do you know what kind of government Jesus is bring with Him during His thousand year reign?

It's not a democracy, but more of a one Man dictatorship...and there will only be one "religion" allowed, and that will be Christianity!

Any other belief system is satanic and will be discontinued by Jesus.
You'll either agree with Him and live forever in peace and prosperity...or, you can go to hell.

These will be the only two choices available to people for all eternity.

[Nomad]

You know...if you repent...
You've almost cracked my hard exterior. Don't hold back!

[Nomad]

OK, do you know what kind of government Jesus is bring with Him during His thousand year reign?
Jesus? No wait a second... you're not Jesus... You're KM Richards. Sorry, sometimes I get so confused between the Son of God and the average American.

[KM Richards]

God put this country here to spead the Gospel and to be allies with Israel.
We've done more to bless this planet than any other nation in history.

Sorry to hear you hate us, but that's your problem

[Nomad]

God put this country here to spead the Gospel and to be allies with Israel.
We've done more to bless this planet than any other nation in history.
Start a new thread about that. It'll be fun, I promise. Just make a new thread and copy-paste those two sentences as the first post. It'll be great.

Sorry to hear you hate us, but that's your problem
You're funny.

[KM Richards]

So, what country do you hail from?

[Nomad]

California

[KM Richards]

CaliforniaWell, that explains alot about your liberal, hate America political view point.

Ever consider getting out of America since it's so bad here?
You could go try China, North Korea, or maybe you could check out Iran for awhile.

I do believe you would benefit greatly by living in one of these lovely countries.

[Nomad]

You're too much!

I love how a guy like me that says, "America was started for Freedom, and let's keep it Free!" can be so easily labeled as someone who hates America. So if I hate America so much, perhaps you can quote me where I said that I hate America. Quote me. I dare you. And what's even funnier (or sadder, depending on how you look at it), is how my allegiance to the politics of this country have such a determination upon the state of my salvation.

Does it make it easier to discuss things when people are put into small, hermetically sealed categories? I bet it does. Sorry, but you'll fail miserably trying to classify me.

[KM Richards]

Sorry, but you'll fail miserably trying to classify meNo, not if you look at it from God's point of view.

You're either with Him, or against Him.
You're either a member of His family, or a member of satan's family.
You're either a new Creature in Christ Jesus, or a lost sinner.

Quite simple, my friend!
You're either one, or the other.

[Nomad]

What does that have to do with me being a "Liberal, america hater"? And furthermore, what does that have to do with Jesus Camp?

[KM Richards]

What does that have to do with me being a "Liberal, america hater"? And furthermore, what does that have to do with Jesus Camp?If you have to ask...:rolleyes:

[Nomad]

Oh that's right. I forgot.

Republican = Saved
Democrat = Damned, Libearl Scum

I just had to stop thinking like an intelligent adult and it all came into focus.

[KM Richards]

Actually, both parties have lost touch with reality and what it means to do the right things to protect the United States.

The republicans are stupid, but the democrats are outright evil!
I usually have to vote repub because they are the lesser of the two evils.

Any political party that advocates murdering babies...is evil.
Christians have no business supporting baby murderers.

[Nocturnal One]

As a tax payer, I'd appreciate it if you'd get off your duff and go get a job abd quit mooching off of us!


Nice strawman attack....

Sorry, I DO have a job!!! I work harder than you ever have in your life! I work 50-60 hours a week, and I am not mooching of anyone.

For your information, I recieve governmental funding for my 4 month old daughter who has seziures for no reason.

I am NOT lazy, I work DAMN hard!!

It's people like you, that make me not want to go to church.

[Nocturnal One]

Getting a temporary helping hand is one thing, living on welfare is quite another.


Sorry, I am NOT on welfare, I work hard for a living. Nice sterotypes! You really should think before you speak, it helps you not look like a fool.

[Nomad]

Actually, both parties have lost touch with reality and what it means to do the right things to protect the United States.

The republicans are stupid, but the democrats are outright evil!
I usually have to vote repub because they are the lesser of the two evils.

Any political party that advocates murdering babies...is evil.
Christians have no business supporting baby murderers.
Then I should generalize: I'm glad God draws party lines.

[KM Richards]

I recieve governmental funding for my 4 month old daughter who has seziures for no reason.That's easy...get her healed by the power of God!
All the money in the world won't do much good when you're paying for doctors...go to the Source!


It's people like you, that make me not want to go to church.w0W! You must backslide easy!
I don't know about you, but it's not possible for me to be moved from my relationship with God.

I grew up as a rebel...I just found out who I should be rebelling against, and it's not God or His Christ.

[Nocturnal One]

That's easy...get her healed by the power of God!
All the money in the world won't do much good when you're paying for doctors...go to the Source!


w0W! You must backslide easy!
I don't know about you, but it's not possible for me to be moved from my relationship with God.

I grew up as a rebel...I just found out who I should be rebelling against, and it's not God or His Christ.


Once again you're sterotyping me.....being a normal judgemental Christian saying that I am backsliding, for all you know I could be a Pastor, you don't know me, you don't know anything about me, just what you think you know.


Trust me, many people including myself have spent many hours praying for my daughter. I know God will heal her. I have to also practice basic common sense and have her see the Doctors too. God can work through Doctors, in fact my 2 Doctors are both Christians.

[notdoneyet]

KM you need to stop attacking people. I'm getting pretty fed up with how unaccepting this board can be at times, and I highly doubt that was the point of creating it. Political parties don't determine salvation, and if you think that, then I'm so sorry you are living a sheltered life. You shouldn't be judging people, that's God's job to do and though many people want to make God out to be a very strict god, you need to realize you're not God, and you have no right to say someone is or is not saved.

[Nocturnal One]

KM you need to stop attacking people. I'm getting pretty fed up with how unaccepting this board can be at times, and I highly doubt that was the point of creating it.


I also am fed up with the basic attitudes that people have here at Firestream. It seems people are becoming less and less accepting of one another and more and more judgemental towards one another.

Just because someone has bills and is broke doesn't mean they're lazy, don't work and on welfare. I get tired of this generalization of most people here at Firestream,if you don't know the whole story, don't judge them.


Now if you excuse me, I have to go to bed because I have a job I have to go to tomorrow morning for 9 hours.
:rolleyes:

[KM Richards]

I know God will heal her.Dude, God has ALREADY healed her, if you only knew it! You're praying and asking God to do something He has already done!

That's like someone asking God to save them over and over without ever stopping to realize they are now saved. You have to believe first, and THEN you will see it manifest in her body.

Political parties don't determine salvation....you need to realize you're not GodWhat? Political parties don't determine who goes to Heaven?

What? I'm not God?....oh, Me!
I mean, oh God!

[kmbach]

who else here hates politics? Can I see a show of hands?

Or wait, because I hate politics does that mean I'm damned too?

[Nomad]

Politics has its place. Unfortunately, it doesn't know how to stay there.

[Chrono]

I saw a clip on the Colbert Report. I felt horrible knowing its legal to brainwash children like that.

[The Underdog]

I saw a clip on the Colbert Report. I felt horrible knowing its legal to brainwash children like that.

Yep, I have to agree here.

[phylum lepidoptera]

Egad, another thread resurrected after a one-month hiatus. Oy vey...

[KM Richards]

I felt horrible knowing its legal to brainwash children like that.So you advocate brainwashing them to serve satan, right? :rolleyes:

[Nomad]

So you advocate brainwashing them to serve satan, right? :rolleyes:
Well, yeah. They taste better in stew that way.

[Chrono]

So you advocate brainwashing them to serve satan, right? :rolleyes:

Im anti-satanist too, I have no clue where you got that from.

[KM Richards]

Im anti-satanist too, I have no clue where you got that from.Well, since you reject Jesus...I can imagine you'll have fun in hell with all the satanists.

Why do you want to go to hell, anyway?

[Chrono]

Why do you want to go to hell, anyway?

I'm not, thank you. I'm going to die like all the other creatures of this earth and stay dead, forever.

[KM Richards]

I'm not, thank you. I'm going to die like all the other creatures of this earth and stay dead, forever.That's what you think!
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[Chrono]

That's what you think!


... and That's what you don't think!

[KM Richards]

... and That's what you don't think!Right...I'm not going to think about you burning in hell.
Or, anyone else for that matter!

[The Underdog]

Well, since you reject Jesus...I can imagine you'll have fun in hell with all the satanists.

Why do you want to go to hell, anyway?

I thought you were banned. And if you continue to troll like this, you will be again. The fact that a person doesn't believe in God doesn't automatically imply he's a satanist. He doesn't reject Jesus, he just doesn't belive in Him. Big difference.

[KM Richards]

He doesn't reject Jesus, he just doesn't belive in Him. Big difference.By making a consciense decision to not believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior...is the very definition of rejecting Jesus and the salvation he paid for mankind to have!

[The Underdog]

By making a consciense decision to not believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior...is the very definition of rejecting Jesus and the salvation he paid for mankind to have!

If he doens't belive this, how can you convince him?

[Nomad]

If he doens't belive this, how can you convince him?
Capslock?

[Chrono]

Yeah, like I don't come here to annoy anyone, or insult anyone. I enjoy debating these things with people, its one of the things that makes life interesting!

[KM Richards]

If he doens't belive this, how can you convince him?I'm not trying to.
He'll be convinced when he dies someday.

[Chrono]

I'm not trying to.
He'll be convinced when he dies someday.

Very positive comment :o

[The Underdog]

I'm not trying to.
He'll be convinced when he dies someday.

I'm sick and tired of such stupid answers. Just not everyone can believe in God, Buddha, Mohammed, Zarathustra, Odin or Zeus. Accept it. It's called the modern world. Some belive, others don't. It's a personal choice.

[Doc]

I saw a news report on tv about this. It was very disturbing

They have a cardboard cutout of George W Bush..And they make the kids idolize it...I think it's setting kids up to worship antichrist