What do you think of this?

[Lunar Descent]

http://www.heritagemusic.org/ismusicamoral.php

Tell me your opinion. I don't know mine yet.

[PhoenixRising]

IMO, music is not wrong..if it was, then why is it present in the Bible in a positive way?? Nuff said.

[Sword Of The Heretic]

I have better things to do than to defend myself against that load of drivel.

[†Knight In Shining Armour]

Bring forth the MIGHTY metal to smite these ravenouness wretches!

[Lunar Descent]

IMO, music is not wrong..if it was, then why is it present in the Bible in a positive way?? Nuff said.

You obviously didn't read the whole article.

[PhoenixRising]

I know. I didn't. Because I had HW to do.

Not all of us have the time to read something and call down our mighty metal.

[Lunar Descent]

I know. I didn't. Because I had HW to do.

Not all of us have the time to read something and call down our mighty metal.

Maybe not, but I am interested in what God thinks about metal. Now, maybe I don't believe everything that was said in that article, but they did make a couple points which got me thinking. So, if you are not going to at least take ten minutes out to read this, don't post. Nothing personal, I just want to know what peoples thoughts are of what was being said in the article.

[Dare Devil]

Ungodly Music in the Bible

There are several accounts in the Bible where ungodly music was used in worship. One of those is in Exodus 32:15-20 "And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written. (16) And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. (17) And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp. (18) And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear. (19) And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and broke them beneath the mount. (20) And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it in the fire, and ground it to powder, and strewed it upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink of it."
And I thought that Moses was upset because they were dancing around the golden calf.


Another account of ungodly music is in Daniel 3:1-7 "Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. (2) Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counselors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up. (3) Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counselors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. (4) Then a herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages, (5) That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of music, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: (6) And whoso falleth not down and worshipeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. (7) Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of music, all the people, the nations, and the languages, fell down and worshiped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up."

Music was part of the worship of the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up.
Music was a part of that ungodly worship, but so what? It is not the music that was wrong there, it was the act of worship that took place.


In Isaiah 14:11 in talking about Babylon, God says, "Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, [and] the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee."

The viol was an instrument with a bow. And was the forerunner of the violin family of instruments. God describes the music that they played on it as noise! God enjoys music, but He did not like Babylon's music.

God does not like all music used to worship Him. In Amos 5:21-23 God says, "I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. (22) Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. (23) Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols."
So, in other words: If the people from Babylon had used "godly" music then God would have embraced them? I know that's probably a bit sarcastic, but I don't think that it was really the music that angered God.


Testimonies that the Rock Beat is Used in Worshiping Satan

There is testimony after testimony that rock music is used in the worship of Satan. Here are two testimonies:

The testimony of a former Satanist high priest: "When I first became involved in the occult, music had a big influence on by life. It was not just the words but the music itself. Its affect on me spiritually was to bring me into another state of consciousness.

"The beat and style of the music used in the occult rituals is the same that I now hear in 'Christian power tracts,' 'Christian rock and roll,' 'Christian rap,' and in much of what is called 'Christian contemporary' music today." — David Pratt, Chattanooga, Tenn. (From the booklet "Ten Scriptural Reasons Why the "Rock Beat" is Evil in Any Form" p.7 Institute in Basic Life Principles.)

A second testimony is from Stephen Maphosah, Zimbabwe, Africa:

"I am very sensitive to the beat in music, because when I was a boy, I played the drums in our village worship rituals. The beat that I played on the drum was to get the demon spirits into the people.

"When I became a Christian, I rejected this kind of beat because I realized how damaging it was.

"When I turned on a Christian radio station in the United States, I was shocked. The same beat that I used to play to call up the evil spirits is in the music I heard on the Christian station." (From the booklet "Ten Scriptural Reasons Why the "Rock Beat" is Evil in Any Form" p.7 Institute in Basic Life Principles.)
So, we are supposed to allow the devil to seize paticular forms of music all for himself? I'm sorry, but I don't think that we owe him that kind of respect. Quite the contrary actually.

What do we need to do?

God tells us to sing a new song to Him and to rid ourselves of music borrowed from the world. In Psalms 144:7-12 a new song is contrasted with what it is not. It is not music that is borrowed from the world — from "strange children": "Send thine hand from above; rid me, and deliver me out of great waters, from the hand of strange children; (8) Whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood. (9) I will sing a new song unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee. (10) It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword. (11) Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood: (12) That our sons may be as plants grown up in their youth; that our daughters may be as corner stones, polished after the similitude of a palace:"
Hm, and I thought that passage was about a changed, a renewed state of mind that makes the believer want to sing and to praise God? Seriously, if those people want to use the Old Testament like THAT in order to find out how God wants them to live then they are still living under the law, imho. Personally I can only say that I would not recommend that.

[Maerund]

Do not bother with people who say that metal is wrong or that any form of music is wrong. Music is music. What you do with it is another matter. There is nothing in the universe or in God's word that suggests certain musical SOUNDS are bad as opposed to certain other musical sounds. This is worthless thinking.

Do not believe it, comrade.

[†Knight In Shining Armour]

Trying to argue this on this site is like trying to preach in a mosque. Your gonna get shot, blow up, or stabbed, and maybe all three.

[Lunar Descent]

Trying to argue this on this site is like trying to preach in a mosque. Your gonna get shot, blow up, or stabbed, and maybe all three.

I don't know who you are refeering to, but I hope its not me. I'm not trying to argue, I just wanted to see what peoples' opinions were on the article. So far, I agree with everything being said by everyone.

[Tallerthanatree]

Yeah, that article is absolutely ridiculous. Music itself cannot be 'anti-christian' as the writers of this article say. And the quote from the guy in the church of satan saying the music itself influenced him: Music simply conveys emotion, and what you do with that is not the doing of the music itself.

This article is a steamy load of crap. Do you agree with me, metal brethren?:headbang:

[Lunar Descent]

Yeah, that article is absolutely ridiculous. Music itself cannot be 'anti-christian' as the writers of this article say. And the quote from the guy in the church of satan saying the music itself influenced him: Music simply conveys emotion, and what you do with that is not the doing of the music itself.

This article is a steamy load of crap. Do you agree with me, metal brethren?:headbang:

Agreed. Read my posts on the other thread (same title) in the christain music discussion.

[Lucius H Wood]

I read the article ... and the writer takes everything out of context ... I believe Dare Devil addresses it well .... every passage the write uses is out of context .... people who think that legalistic are hard to convince otherwise...

[Wilkins]

What's the difference between the sound of operatic Christian hymns and sound of some Cradle of Filth songs that have similar sounds? The answer would be "the lyrics". So the same goes for metal. Sounds the same, lyrics are different.

On a different serious note. With crap like this they really do get us in between a rock and a hard place. Because if we take the "I'm not going to bother and respond to you" action, people that detest metal are going to say "see, you have no comeback". And if we try to respond with appropriate scripture, they comeback and say "stop manipulating scripture" and "stop trying to justify your sins".

People like that are like a parasite with a bad smell...

[Lunkwill]

They said much the same about Handel's Messiah and the classical oratorios in general. It's really astounding to me how far back this "certain music is evil" argument goes. It dates all the way back to the middle ages. It was as stupid an argument then as it is now. Music itself is not evil, or good.

Just ignore this drivel, as Sword so aptly put it, and rock on. :headbang:

[Tallerthanatree]

They said much the same about Handel's Messiah and the classical oratorios in general. It's really astounding to me how far back this "certain music is evil" argument goes. It dates all the way back to the middle ages. It was as stupid an argument then as it is now. Music itself is not evil, or good.

Just ignore this drivel, as Sword so aptly put it, and rock on. :headbang:

Amen.:headbang: